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Postby Harry_Maynard » 22 Jul 2018 14:00

Country: Germany
Region: 0
Releasing Studio: Best Entertainment
Case Type: Keep Case
Aspect Ratio: 1,85:1
Anamorphic?: Anamorphic, I guess https://ibb.co/b4vOby
PAL or NTSC?: PAL
Soundtracks: German Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo & English Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo
Subtitles: no
Cuts: no cuts, 84:10
Extras: Trailers for "Dune" (3:02) &"The Fog" (2:17) / Klaus Kinski biography (3:20)
Notes: Released as "Churchills Leoparden"
Amazon ASIN (UK, French, German, USA releases only): B0009WOZA0
Source: Own it
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Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 23 Jul 2018 23:12

The picture is definitely non-anamorphic.
As for the audio, OFDB says it has 5.1 audio. Could you double check?
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Postby Harry_Maynard » 24 Jul 2018 15:24

Ok, so, as you can see keep case and DVD mention Dolby Digital 2.0
https://ibb.co/c5nqR8

Strangely, the menu says it's Dolby Digital 5.1
https://ibb.co/jFtKKT

However, the sound is definitely 2.0 and not 5.1
You probably don't speak German. On the Ofdb below, there is a notice (Bemerkungen) that mentions that there are wrong information on the DVD and that it's in fact 2.0
https://ssl.ofdb.de/view.php?page=fassu ... vid=255771

The cover also doesn't mention English language, even though German AND English are available. You see, it's a pretty shitty release ;)
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Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 24 Jul 2018 15:32

So the 2.0 is a remixed stereo track and not a mono track?
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Postby Harry_Maynard » 24 Jul 2018 15:42

I'm not an expert on that matter but according to the Ofdb notice, it's upmixed, so I guess that it is indeed a remixed stereo track.
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Postby Ain_Uussaar » 24 Jul 2018 15:45

Harry_Maynard wrote:However, the sound is definitely 2.0 and not 5.1
You probably don't speak German. On the Ofdb below, there is a notice (Bemerkungen) that mentions that there are wrong information on the DVD and that it's in fact 2.0
https://ssl.ofdb.de/view.php?page=fassu ... vid=255771

Bemerkungen: *inklusive Abspann Bei den Tonformaten handelt es sich um schlechte Upmixe. Falsche Coverangaben zum Bildformat (4:3), Ton (Dolby Digital 2.0), sowie Laufzeit (88 Min.). Der englische Ton und das Bonusmaterial werden auf dem Cover nicht erwähnt.


This notice says the opposite. It says that the cover has false information about aspect ratio, audio and run time. And those 5.1 audios are very bad upmixes.
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Re: Churchill's Leopards AKA I leopardi di Churchill FAO Har

Postby Harry_Maynard » 24 Jul 2018 15:51

This is weird. I don't get a 5.1 sound, only stereo.
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Postby Markus_Lang » 24 Jul 2018 16:21

Harry_Maynard wrote:Strangely, the menu says it's Dolby Digital 5.1. [...] However, the sound is definitely 2.0 and not 5.1.
What does your player of amplifier state about the audio when you play the disc?
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Re: Churchill's Leopards AKA I leopardi di Churchill FAO Har

Postby Harry_Maynard » 24 Jul 2018 16:25

It says Stereo
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Postby Markus_Lang » 24 Jul 2018 16:34

Harry_Maynard wrote:It says Stereo
That seems a bit implausible. Which equipment actually states “Stereo” and not “2.0” or “5.1”? Can you provide image or photograph?
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Postby Harry_Maynard » 24 Jul 2018 16:55

Okay. f*** it. You got me. I have no idea. I have a Laptop, that's where I watch my movies, via VLC, Leawo or PowerDVD, mostly with headphones on.
I never paid much attention to all the 2.0, 5.1 etc. stuff, same for anamorphic/non. I don't know the difference and have no idea how to find out the difference.
When I registered I thought I can provide enough information for missing releases, and now I'm sitting here, feeling pressurized and awful because y'all know so much more about this stuff and I have pretty mich no f*****g clue.

Sorry.
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Postby Markus_Lang » 24 Jul 2018 18:07

If you use PowerDVD, you could right-click on the image and select “Show Information”. After that, you’ll see some basic information about the title that is currently playing, at the top corner:

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VLC shows information via Tools → Media Information (CTRL-I) → Codec.
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Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 25 Jul 2018 01:44

There is no pressure, Harry. We’ll help you and guide you.

As with 2.0 stereo or mono, there would be an audible difference in stereo separation. If there is no difference in the left and right channels it is mono.

For determining whether it is surround encoded, playback on a receiver with a Pro-Logic decoder is easiest, but there are some programs that determine surround or not. I believe DVDAudioExtractor displays it.
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Postby Markus_Lang » 25 Jul 2018 13:21

Also PowerDVD states if the 2.0 track is Surround:

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However, a software like this isn’t able to indicate if a “regular” 2.0 track is stereo or mono. One has to use headphones.
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Postby Harry_Maynard » 25 Jul 2018 15:52

Okay, thank you for your understanding. Really appreciate that. I love that site and want to contribute as much as possible, but I had no idea that certain things are so complex... :o

As you can see in the image, it's actually Dolby Digital 5.1
https://ibb.co/jp9XR8

I can hear the exact same on both channels, so I guess it's mono.
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Postby Brent_Reid » 25 Jul 2018 16:58

Some nice, supportive answers answers here, but I don't advocate for using headphones or even external speakers to discern between mono and stereo. I trained as an audio engineer way back when and am very familiar with all the different surround formats. However, even I can't always tell the difference just by listening. Best to use a surround amp and force it via Dolby Pro-Logic or DTS Neo, or as said, PowerDVD or similar. Even if you did somehow have the world's first pair of infallible golden ears, you still wouldn't be able to test it for being 1.0 or 2.0 mono.

I think you're going to struggle a little, Harry, unless you learn the basics of Blu-ray and DVD terminology and how it works. That will be easier by orders of magnitude if you were to acquire a separate player, amplifier, screen and at least a 5.1 surround set-up.

I'm sure I speak for most here when I say that 99% of what we learned came from reading articles and forums online and picking others' brains. Don't be discouraged - we all have to start somewhere!

On a separate note, Best Entertainment are a bootleg label. The recently added "Per Sempre - Killer aus dem Jenseits" is definitely a boot. I can't actually find this one, but will lay odds it is too. I'm actually putting the finishing touches to a new article concerning German boots and this label features heavily in it.
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Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 25 Jul 2018 22:35

Harry_Maynard wrote:As you can see in the image, it's actually Dolby Digital 5.1
https://ibb.co/jp9XR8

I can hear the exact same on both channels, so I guess it's mono.

Both Channels? But it's a 5.1 setup. Are you saying all 5 main speakers have the same audio or that only the left and right channels have audio (and others are mute)?
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Postby Brent_Reid » 26 Jul 2018 20:05

Harry doesn't have "5 main speakers", James. As he said, he watches his films on a laptop.

It's a shame this is so difficult for him; would it be an option for him to download BDinfo and simply submit the report? Alternatively, is it currently noted anywhere that a working knowledge of audio formats and a surround set-up with separates is a distinct advantage when submitting comparisons?
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Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 26 Jul 2018 22:33

Ah, OK. I added it by simply adding it as "5.1". Thanks everyone, added it!
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Postby baggish » 27 Jul 2018 14:25

James, can you double-check this part? TV System: NTSC
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