Lumière! Le Cinématographe 1895-1905 [FRA][FTV] ADDED

[Matt_Bailey]

Title: Lumière! Le Cinématographe 1895-1905
Country: France
Region: B
Releasing Studio: francetv
Case Type: Digipak
Aspect Ratio: 1.78:1
Codec: AVC
Picture: 1080p24
Soundtracks: French DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Music DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 (score by Camille Saint-Saëns)
Silence DTS-HD Master Audio 1.0
Subtitles (are they optional?): Optional French movie title and date; optional French movie title, date, location, and operator
Cuts: 95:04
Extras: Introduction by Bertrand Tavernier (2:05)
Notes: Includes 41-page booklet. Booklet, packaging, audio, subtitles are all exclusively in French
Amazon ASIN (US, UK, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, or Spain): B00SVF132A
Source: Own it

Bonus disc
"Lumière, la Naissance du Cinéma" de Paul Paviot avec Auguste Lumière (1953) (31:02)
"Aller au Cinéma: Louis Lumière" de Eric Rohmer avec Henri Langlois et Jean Renoir (1968) (66:29)
"Pierwsky Film" de Josef Piwkowski (1984) (9:42)
"Lumière, au Debut et Pour Toujours" par Thierry Frémaux (2015) (19:33)
"L'Heritage Lumière" par Bertrand Tavernier (2015) (8:03)
"Les Nouvelles Sorties d'Usine" de Pedro Almodóvar, Michael Cimino, Xavier Dolan, Jerry Schatzberg, Paolo Sorrentino, Quentin Tarantino (2015) (3:28)
"Lumière! Le Cinéma Inventé" Les clips de l'exposition du Grand Palais (2015)
- Clip 1 (1:09)
- Clip 2 (1:10)

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

Title: Lumière! Le Cinématographe 1895-1905

This is a compilation of films, correct? Is there a list of what is included?

Soundtracks: Music 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 (score by Camille Saint-Saëns)

Music DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1

[Matt_Bailey]

Title: Lumière! Le Cinématographe 1895-1905

This is a compilation of films, correct? Is there a list of what is included?

I'm not sure what it is, precisely. It appears at first to be the same as L'aventure Commence, in that it's an hour-and-a-half sequence of Lumière films with Thierry Frémuax narration, but the runtimes differ by a full five minutes. Opening credits sequences are different but similar. I've pulled the two into my video editing software and when I get some time I'll try and dig into whether the Frémaux stuff is the same, how they're put together, etc.

There's no list, but unlike l'aventure there is at least a subtitle track that has titles, so once I OCR that I'll be able to produce one. That was my main reason for picking this up; unlike l'aventure I can actually split this into individual movie files, and it has a score-only track.

[Matt_Bailey]

Can confirm that the Frémaux commentary is identical, it's just timed differently: one has longer pauses between his speaking segments, in order to fill the difference in runtime. Each segment can be synced perfectly, it appears to be the same recording but at the very least is the same script. Video, on the other hand, seems very different.

I've OCR'd the subs, which gives us this list of films:
"Sortie d'usine III" (1896)
"Sortie d'usine II" (1896)
"Sortie d'usine" (1895)
"Débarquement du congrès de photographes à Lyon" (1895)
"Repas de bébé" (1895)
"Forgerons" (1895)
"Arroseur et arrosé" (1895)
"Partie d'écarté" (1896)
"Arrivée d'un train à La Ciotat" (1897)
"Démolition d'un mur" (1897)
"Démolition d'un mur (à l'envers)" (1897)
"Panorama de l'arrivée en gare de Perrache pris du train" (1896)
"Arrivée d'un train à Perrache" (1896)
"Place des Cordeliers" (1895)
"Place Bellecour" (1896)
"Quai de l'Archevêché" (1896)
"Place du Pont" (1897)
"Concours de boules" (1896)
"La Petite fille et son chat" (1900)
"Premiers pas de bébé" (date unknown)
"Pêche aux poissons rouges" (1895)
"Petit frère et petite sceur" (1897)
"Enfant pêchant des crevettes" (1896)
"Le goûter des bébés" (1897)
"Baignade en mer" (1895)
"Enfants jouant aux billes" (1896)
"Défilé de voitures de bébés à la pouponnière de Paris" (1897)
"Ateliers de La Ciotat" (1899)
"Chaudière" (1896)
"Ouvriers réparant un trottoir en bitume" (1897)
"Défournage du Coke" (1896)
"Laveuses sur la rivière" (1896)
"Transport d'une tourelle par un attelage de 60 chevaux" (1896)
"Pêche aux sardines" (1896)
"Les pompiers I: passage des pompes" (1896)
"Attelage d'un camion" (1896)
"Voltige" (1896)
"Saut à la couverte" (1896)
"Bains sur la Saône" (1897)
"Départ de cyclistes" (1896)
"Course en sacs" (1896)
"Partie de boules" (1896)
"Partie de tric trac" (1896)
"Départ en voiture" (1896)
"Chamonix: la mer de glace. Descente" (1899)
"Les Krémos: Pyramide" (1899)
"Les Krémos: Sauts périlleux" (1899)
"Panorama pendant l'ascension de la Tour Eiffel" (1897)
"Bassin des Tuileries" (1896)
"Le Retour. Aux Champs-Elysées" (1899)
"Panorama des rives de la Seine, IV" (1897)
"Les Escaliers du pont de l'Alma" (1900)
"Place de la Concorde (obélisque et fontaines)" (1897)
"Parvis de Notre-Dame" (1896)
"La Canebière" (1896)
"La plage et la mer" (1900)
"Fort de France - Marché" (1902)
"Rentrée à l'étable" (1896)
"Danse au bivouac" (1896)
"Déchargement d'un navire" (1896)
"Panorama du Grand Canal pris d'un bateau" (1896)
"Entrée du Cinématographe" (1896)
"Pont de Westminster" (1896)
"Panorama pris du chemin de fer électrique, IV" (1897)
"Panoptikum - Friedrichstrasse" (1896)
"Pompiers: un incendie, II" (1897)
"Pompiers: exercices de sauvetage" (1897)
"Panorama de la Corne d'Or" (1897)
"Caravane de chameaux" (1897)
"Porte de Jaffa: côté Est" (1897)
"Les Pyramides (vue générale)" (1897)
"Le Bey de Tunis et les personnages de sa suite descendant l'escalier du Bardo" (1903)
"Rue Tverskaïa" (1896)
"Broadway" (1896)
"Défilé de policemen" (1896)
"Baignade de chevaux" (1896)
"Enfants annamites ramassant des sapèques devant la pagode des dames" (1899)
"Embarquement d'un boeuf à bord d'un navire" (1899)
"Lutteurs japonais" (1897)
"Arroseur et arrosé, II" (1897)
"Bonne d'enfant et soldat" (1897)
"Football" (1897)
"Patineur grotesque" (1896)
"Querelle de matelassières" (1897)
"24e Chasseurs alpins: leçon de boxe" (1897)
"L'Amoureux dans le sac" (1897)
"Chapeaux à transformation" (1896)
"Explosion en mer" (1898)
"27e Chasseurs alpins: assaut d'un mur," (1897)
"Le scieur de bois mélomane" (1897)
"Danseuse de ballets" (1897)
"Charcuterie mécanique" (1896)
"Locomobile" (1897)
"Machine à damer" (1897)
"Scaphandrier" (1896)
"Vue prise d'une plate-forme mobile, I" (1900)
"Descente des voyageurs du pont de Brooklyn" (1896)
"Puits de pétrole à Bakou. Vue de près" (1897)
"Lancement du Varese à Livourne" (1899)
"Vue prise d'une baleinière en marche" (1897)
"Accident d'automobile" (year unknown)
"Bocal de poissons rouges" (1896)
"Mauvais temps au port" (1897)
"En file indienne sur les glaciers avec les raquettes, I. Montée" (1899)
"En file indienne dans la montagne, I. Montée" (1899)
"Fumerie d'opium" (1899)
"Duel au pistolet" (1896)
"Panorama pris d'un ballon captif" (1897)
"Lancement d'un navire" (1896)
"Le squelette joyeux" (1897)
"Danse serpentine" (1897)
"Bataille de neige" (1896)
"Le Village de Namo: panorama pris d'une chaise à porteurs" (1900)
"Colleurs d'affiches" (1897)
"Écriture à l'envers" (1896)

[Matt_Bailey]

L'aventure credits 108 films, this has 114. So definitely some differences but as I said the Frémaux stuff is exactly the same from what I've sampled.

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

Question, for this set and for Lumière! l'aventure commence, the 1.78:1 aspect ratio, are the origiinal films cropped from the original 1.33:1? Or are they stretched to fill the screen?

Can confirm that the Frémaux commentary is identical, it's just timed differently

As for this, what do you mean it is identical? Identical to what?

[Matt_Bailey]

Identical to what?

L'aventure.

The film footage itself is windowboxed.

L'aventure: https://i.imgur.com/MIQ4Mb4.png

Le Cinematographe: https://i.imgur.com/vFmqW19.png

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

The aspect ratio should be 1.33:1 then. I'll have to update Lumière! l'aventure commence.
As for the commentary being identical, does that mean the "Lumière! l'aventure commence" Blu-ray has a commentary track? It wasn't listed as having one.

[Matt_Bailey]

It's narration. The entire film is basically a documentary, with the visual component being 99% just the films playing through, but the opening sequences to both are in 16:9. L'aventure only has the narration track, whereas Le Cinematographe has the option to play with just the music, or with silence, but it's more akin to Twilight Time's isolated music/effects tracks than it is switching off an audio commentary because the music is set to the doco as a whole, not to each film. There are also only chapter markers based on the chapters of the doco, there's no ability to pick a specific film to watch unless you do what I did and slice it up in video editing software. That said the films are present in their entirety, they're not excerpts, so it's still useful if one wants to use it to watch the films themselves.

Why the visuals for the docos are slightly different, I have no idea.

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

Commentaries: Audio commentary by Thierry Frémaux

If that is the case, this should be updated as an optional narration track, and not a commentary.

Could you provide the list of films in "L'aventure"? It would be helpful to list to show the differences of the sets.

[Matt_Bailey]

Le Cinematographe has a subtitle track that lists each film as it occurs, so I could just OCR it and spit that out as a list. L'aventure has no such feature.

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

You mentioned L'aventure credits 108 films, where was this number taken from? Was there a list somewhere?

[Matt_Bailey]

https://i.imgur.com/zIKiUSH.png

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

Aspect Ratio: 1.78:1

Commentaries: Audio commentary by Thierry Frémaux

These portions still need updating.

"Lumière, la Naissance du Cinéma" de Paul Paviot avec Auguste Lumière (1953) (31:02)
"Aller au Cinéma: Louis Lumière" de Eric Rohmer avec Henri Langlois et Jean Renoir (1968) (66:29)
"Pierwsky Film" de Josef Piwkowski (1984) (9:42)
"Lumière, au Debut et Pour Toujours" par Thierry Frémaxu (2015) (19:33)
"L'Heritage Lumière" par Bertrand Tavernier (2015) (8:03)
"Les Nouvelles Sorties d'Usine" de Pedro Almodóvar, Michael Cimino, Xavier Dolan, Jerry Schatzberg, Paolo Sorrentino, Quentin Tarantino (2015) (3:28)
"Lumière! Le Cinéma Inventé" Les clips de l'exposition du Grand Palais (2015)
- Clip 1 (1:09)
- Clip 2 (1:10)

Also please give a breakdown on what the extras are. Are they interviews? shorts? featurettes? etc/

[Matt_Bailey]

The documentary contains portions in 1.78, even though the film footage within it is 1.33.

"Lumière, la Naissance du Cinéma" de Paul Paviot avec Auguste Lumière (1953) (31:02) - doco
"Aller au Cinéma: Louis Lumière" de Eric Rohmer avec Henri Langlois et Jean Renoir (1968) (66:29) - doco
"Pierwsky Film" de Josef Piwkowski (1984) (9:42) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0272614/
"Lumière, au Debut et Pour Toujours" par Thierry Frémaux (2015) (19:33) - interview
"L'Heritage Lumière" par Bertrand Tavernier (2015) (8:03) - interview
"Les Nouvelles Sorties d'Usine" de Pedro Almodóvar, Michael Cimino, Xavier Dolan, Jerry Schatzberg, Paolo Sorrentino, Quentin Tarantino (2015) (3:28) - montage of recreations of Sorties d'Usine from various directors
"Lumière! Le Cinéma Inventé" Les clips de l'exposition du Grand Palais (2015) - trailers for the Paris exhibition of the film, I think?
- Clip 1 (1:09)
- Clip 2 (1:10)

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

Commentaries: Audio commentary by Thierry Frémaux

Soundtracks: French DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1

So the previously listed commentary track, is the lossless French track, which has narration by Thierry Frémaux, correct?

[Matt_Bailey]

Yes.

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

Added the set. Thank you.