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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 31 Jul 2018 23:33

Thank you! Will have to do these later today... Burned out by baggish's last entry! :)
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 01 Aug 2018 14:51

Brent_Reid wrote:Here are the correct FA BD timings:

DISC ONE (Blu-ray)
The Films (with Play All) (215:00)
- "His New Job" (1915) (29:22)
- "A Night Out" (1915) (27:53)
- "The Champion" (1915) (31:43)
- "In the Park" (1915) (14:36)
- "A Jitney Elopement" (1915) (25:30)
- "The Tramp" (1915) (27:14)
- "By the Sea" (1915) (14:46)
- "His Regeneration" (1915) (14:54)
- "Work" (1915) (29:02)

DISC TWO (Blu-ray)
The Films (with Play All) (161:10)
- "A Woman" (1915) (23:45)
- "The Bank" (1915) (25:51)
- "Shanghaied" (1915) (28:10)
- "A Night in the Show" (1915) (25:04)
- "Burlesque on 'Carmen'" (1916) (31:51)
- "Police" (1916) (26:29)
"Triple Trouble" (1918) short (23:50)
"Charlie Butts In" (1920) short (10:24)

Some Divisa Mutual BD typos: "The Birth of the Tramp" should be 60:19 and the "His Regeneration" short is from 1915.

Updated, thank you!
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby Brent_Reid » 01 Aug 2018 16:33

You're welcome. I see you still haven't corrected the Chaplin's Goliath runtime (52:15) in the US BD and DVD sets - after all, you did ask me for it! I see "The Birth of the Tramp" is also wrong in the US Mutual BD set. Can we get the rest of the timings for that set too?
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 01 Aug 2018 23:21

I updated "Chaplin's Goliath" runtime on the Mutual 90th DVD set. Is the runtime the same on the Blu-ray? If so could you give us the runtime for the "The Birth of The Tramp" documentary too?

Apologies if you already gave it before. It's becoming incredibly confusing going back and forth on so many of these things.
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby Brent_Reid » 02 Aug 2018 08:12

Yeah, I don't blame you for losing track. I often have a job keeping up and I'm only working on a few subjects at a time. However, we're now going over these for the fourth time in a four-page thread!

There's only ever been one edit of "Goliath": 52:15. If it is different on the BD it will only be by a second or so, because of the mastering. 52:15 is certainly more accurate than the "55 min" currently listed. Same goes for "The Birth of The Tramp": 60:19 as opposed to the listed "63 min". If you prefer not to correct them, how about at least deleting the wrong times?

And... I still don't own "The Gentleman Tramp" DVD but will still submit it when I have it. :wink:

I'll eventually be able to supply the runtimes for the Flicker Alley Mutuals BD and the 2014 Italian Essanay DVD set, but it'll take a little while as they're in Italy.
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 02 Aug 2018 09:00

I will update as soon as we get the accurate timings. Thank you!
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby Brent_Reid » 02 Aug 2018 11:55

Title: Chaplin: Todas sus comedias para Essanay
Country: Spain
Region: ALL
Releasing Studio: Divisa
Case Type: Keep Case
Aspect Ratio: 1.33:1
Picture: (1080p/1080i 60/1080i 50 etc) 1080i 50Hz AVC MPEG-4
Soundtracks: Orchestral music scores in LPCM 2.0 stereo
Subtitles (are they optional?): Yes (Spanish, Portuguese for English intertitles)
DISC ONE (Blu-ray)

The Films
- "His New Job" (1915) (28:10)
Music by the Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra

- "A Night Out" (1915) (28:05)
Music by Robert Israel

- "The Champion" (1915) (30:27)
Music by Robert Israel

- "In the Park" (1915) (14:01)
Music by the Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra

- "A Jitney Elopement" (1915) (24:29)
Music by the Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra

- "The Tramp" (1915) (26:09)
Music by Robert Israel

- "By the Sea" (1915) (14:11)
Music by the Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra

- "His Regeneration" (1915) (14:19)
Music by Robert Israel

Extras:
"Bravo Charlot!" documentary (38:50)
- "The Little Tramp" 9-page text biography in Spanish
- "Filmography" 6 pages of text in Spanish

DISC TWO (Blu-ray)
The Films
- "Work" (1915) (27:52)
Music by Robert Israel

- "A Woman" (1915) (22:48)
Music by the Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra

- "The Bank" (1915) (24:49)
Music by Robert Israel

- "Shanghaied" (1915) (27:02)
Music by Robert Israel

- "A Night in the Show" (1915) (24:04)
Music by Timothy Brock and the Orchestra del teatro Comunale di Bologna

- "A Burlesque on 'Carmen'" (1916) (30:34)
Music by Timothy Brock and the Orchestra del teatro Comunale di Bologna

- "Police" (1916) (25:24)
Music by Robert Israel

"Triple Trouble" (1918) (22:53)
Music by the Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra

Extras:
- "Little Tich and His Funny Feet" short (1900) (2:33)
- "Filmography" 6 pages of text in Spanish
Notes: No "Play All" function is listed, but the films do all play continuously in sequence anyway.
The documentary is in French with optional Spanish and Portuguese subtitles.
Cover wrongly states Region B. [this also needs adding to Divisa’s Mutual BD set]
Easter Eggs: None
Amazon ASIN (UK, French, German, USA releases only): B00R5XOBO6
Source: Own copy

Though each of the latest Mutual restorations feature various different scores, the new Essanays have just one apiece. They're exactly the same on all the latest restored sets, so can be carried over to the US and UK BDs, and the US DVD listing.

Additionally, some details are incorrect or missing from the BFI Essanay set:

"Charlie Butts In" (1920) (10:40) alternate version of "A Night Out"
Music by Robert Israel

"Burlesque on Carmen" featuring the voice of Peter Sellers (1952) (36:39)
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 02 Aug 2018 15:08

Added the Spanish Essanay BD set.
Brent_Reid wrote:Though each of the latest Mutual restorations feature various different scores, the new Essanays have just one apiece. They're exactly the same on all the latest restored sets, so can be carried over to the US and UK BDs, and the US DVD listing.

Updated the score listings.
Brent_Reid wrote:Additionally, some details are incorrect or missing from the BFI Essanay set:

"Charlie Butts In" (1920) (10:40) alternate version of "A Night Out"
Music by Robert Israel

"Burlesque on Carmen" featuring the voice of Peter Sellers (1952) (36:39)

The "Charlie Butts In" being an alternate version of "A Night Out" is mentioned in the review.
The BFI set does not credit the music for "Charlie Butts In" but I assume you compared and confirmed it was the Robert Israel score. Updated.
"Burlesque on Carmen", BFI lists 1951 was the year with the liner notes explaining and referencing the date. Will leave it as that unless some updated info has been confirmed.
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby Brent_Reid » 02 Aug 2018 18:28

Nice work. I have indeed compared all the scores very carefully - been surrounded by a stack of Chaplin discs all week! "Charlie Butts In" uses a seamlessly edited version of Robert Israel's "A Night Out" score. In fact, all 8 Robert Israel scores are recycled: they were originally recorded for Image's 1999 DVDs, much like the Mutuals have twice reused the 2003 Carl Davis scores.

I've been expanding my Chaplin Guides hugely too: there are now eight core articles, up from the original three - with lots more to come! Every one of them links here and is designed to complement this site's listings. Except for Part 1, most of the info has been moved around and the old Part 2 and 3 links now point to different parts of his catalogue. Therefore, it's best if you simply link to the first part from now on.

By the way, the "Triple Trouble" and "Charlie Butts In" scores are still missing fom the US Flicker Alley BD and DVD listings.
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 02 Aug 2018 22:41

Brent_Reid wrote:By the way, the "Triple Trouble" and "Charlie Butts In" scores are still missing fom the US Flicker Alley BD and DVD listings.

Updated
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby Brent_Reid » 04 Aug 2018 08:23

Just realised I didn't answer your "Burlesque on Carmen" comment. The booklet states 1951, but the onscreen restoration credits say the new version was submitted to the BBFC for classification in 1952 and that Sellers' narration was probably recorded in 1951. However, I've found it was actually submitted to the BBFC for classification on 27.4.1951, so like the Flicker Alley timings, it's just another typo. Considering this was such a huge, complex project, involving 11 archives, I'm surprised there aren't more!
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 04 Aug 2018 14:22

Looks like we can leave it as 1951 then. Thanks
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby Brent_Reid » 25 Aug 2018 12:02

Two items for the BFI Keystone box set:

    Initial copies came with a card slipcase.
    Initial copies were also faulty; full details and replacement programme directly under the BFI box set image here. Feel free to crib it! :-D
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 25 Aug 2018 12:23

Updated about the Keystone error.
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby Brent_Reid » 25 Aug 2018 19:04

Corrected contents of the six identical French Arte Video and German Icestorm Essanay/Mutual DVDs:

Essanay Films

Volume 1
The Films
- "His New Job" (1915) (30:09)
- "A Night Out" (1915) (34:01)
- "The Champion" (1915) (30:46)
- "In the Park" (1915) (14:03)
- "A Jitney Elopement" (1915) (26:26)
Bonus Film
- "Fatty's New Role" (1915) (11:04)
"Bravo Charlot!" documentary (38:48)
Trailer Reel: "The Silent Era" Collection: Cyrano de Bergerac (1923), The Chaplin Essanay Comedies Volumes 1-3 (1915-1918), The Marriage Circle (1924); Nanook of the North (1922), The Chaplin Mutual Comedies Volumes 4-6 (1916-1917), The Thief of Bagdad (1924) (8:45)

Volume 2
The Films
- "The Tramp" (1915) (26:19)
- "By the Sea" (1915) (13:55)
- "Work" (1915) (28:07)
- "A Woman" (1915) (26:11)
- "The Bank" (1915) (25:00)
- "His Regeneration" (1915) (14:54)
Bonus Film
- "Mabel, Fatty and the Law" (1915) (8:51)
Trailer Reel: "The Silent Era" Collection (8:45)

Volume 3
The Films
- "Shanghaied" (1915) (27:22)
- "A Night in the Show" (1915) (23:28)
- "Burlesque on 'Carmen'" (1916) (31:22)
- "Police" (1916) (25:38)
- "Triple Trouble" (1918) (22:58)
Bonus Film
- "Mabel and Fatty Viewing the World's Fair" (1915) (9:55)
Trailer Reel: "The Silent Era" Collection (8:45)

Mutual Films

Volume 4
Extras:The Films
- "The Count" (25:11)
- "The Vagabond" (26:24)
- "The Fireman" (24:23)
- "Behind the Screen" (23:30)
Bonus Film
- "Charlie's White Elephant" (1916) cartoon (7:06)
"Bravo Charlot!" documentary (38:48)
Trailer Reel: "The Silent Era" Collection: Cyrano de Bergerac (1923), The Chaplin Essanay Comedies Volumes 1-3 (1915-1918), The Marriage Circle (1924); Nanook of the North (1922), The Chaplin Mutual Comedies Volumes 4-6 (1916-1917), The Thief of Bagdad (1924) (8:45)

Volume 5
The Films
- "One A.M." (21:31)
- "The Pawnshop" (25:19)
- "The Floorwalker" (24:35)
- "The Rink" (23:59)
Bonus Film
- "Little Tich et ses 'Big Boots'" (1900) short starring Harry Relph (2:31)
Trailer Reel: "The Silent Era" Collection (8:45)

Volume 6
The Films
- "The Immigrant" (25:14)
- "The Adventurer" (23:47)
- "The Cure" (24:19)
- "Easy Street" (23:50)
Bonus Film
- "The Musical Marvel" (1917) short starring Ben Turpin (11:44)
Trailer Reel: "The Silent Era" Collection (8:45)

The French Arte Video Mutual DVDs need adding to the comparison. Their ASINs are: Vol 4 B00005QT1O, Vol 5 B00005QT1P, Vol 6 B00005QT1Q.

Footnote for all six French DVDs:
Also available in the Charlie Chaplin 1915–1917 Essanay and Mutual Comedies Collection. [ASIN B00006BSP1]

The "Also part of…" footnote on each of the German Mutual DVDs needs adding to the three Essanay discs.
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby Brent_Reid » 19 Jan 2019 19:53

I'm giving this thread a bump, as there are a lot of long-outstanding corrections for the French and German Essanay and Mutual DVDs, which I now own. These relate to missing and misattributed content, and missing timings. If I give blow-by-blow instructions it'll get really complicated, so I've edited my previous post to make updating the comparisons as quick and simple as possible; hopefully you can just copy and paste the relevant info.
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 20 Jan 2019 02:26

Are the French and German subtitles optional?
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby Brent_Reid » 20 Jan 2019 09:14

Yes: on inserting the disc, you're given the option to proceed in English, French or German. After that, they can be swapped on the fly.
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby James-Masaki_Ryan » 20 Jan 2019 14:34

The French Mutual sets - need the full specs for them, please.
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Re: Charlie Chaplin Keystone, Essanay and Mutual DVDs

Postby Brent_Reid » 20 Jan 2019 18:18

You mean submitted in the usual way? They really are the exact same discs as the German Mutuals - even the label art is the same! The only difference between both complete sets of films is on the sleeves of the initial, individual releases of the German Mutuals (Vols 4-6): for some reason they were distributed by Icestorm. All other releases (French Vols 1-6 and box set, and German Vols 1-3 and box set) were distributed by Arte Video. I've made all this clear here.
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